Cast by adrienne
Show the cast this replies toI had thought Hypersnap was being forked so it would be independent. I was reacting to the comment above about Farcaster changing to network state without free speech as a stated goal, and if that’s the case, people should be able to support both as different projects with different goals?
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it is independent, that doesn't mean we're going to isolate users on snapchain or prevent people from interacting with them – we're adding a relay so when the fork block is reached, messages that are compatible can go between networks. what i mean is that compatibility is _theirs_ to break. we're not going to do anything to break compatibility. they have already demonstrated they will do so with two hour's notice. people are free to support both ideas in parallel, but when the reality of what that "choice" to no longer honor free speech turned out to be – a silencing of critics, people posting LGBT content, anyone on one side of the political spectrum – kicking people out retroactively, with no notice of new "rules", banning their access to speak with their friends (DMs), it's clear this is motivated beyond what the public statement is.
defend it if you like, but people will remember that when the "experiment" dies due to everyone coming over to the actually neutral side of the fork. we'll never forbid you from speaking, but conversely, people will not be forbidden from reminding you of what choice you made in defending this blatant suppression.
Would be easier to support NS if their actions showed they cared about anything the network was founded on. “Sufficient decentralization” goes out the window when you don’t allow community validators, push breaking changes without warning, and won’t even speak with community protocol devs. I understand NS has other ideas they want to pursue but let’s not pretend the FC community came here because we were promised “clean speech”. Community members were banned without warning. That’s not a call for co-existence.
Do you feel like you need to support NS though? Totally respect people who hear what’s it about, or observe how they operate and say “no thanks, not for me”. The thing that hurts me the most is why it’s not ok for some people to stick around to see what happens, and still be able to keep relationships and communicate with people on other mediums
I genuinely think few view "sticking around" as supporting. The "vote" was a data hostage negotiation. What people _do_ see as "supporting" is people saying "I like this idea" or "I think balaji is making the right decision". Statements which you can find very easily. Snapchain might purge casts that exhaust storage slots. Hypersnap doesn't. We'll always remember.
Of course everyone can do what they like, but the fact that we’re able to speak at all on FC is no thanks to NS. If they had it their way we wouldn’t be speaking on FC at all. So you’re asking me to be ok with the fact that you’re ok if we never spoke again. Before any technicality - that IS my reality with many friends I had on FC, I’ll never speak with them again. Now imagine instead of me, who chose to leave, you were instead speaking to someone who was shadowbanned for things like saying “slut” or criticizing Flock. It makes it so much worse because 1) you didn’t choose this 2) the people who you thought were your friends are totally cool with the person who did this thing you find completely unjust. It’s like if your partner broke up with you for crappy reasons and your best friend was like “well hey I’m still gonna hang out with them”. They are in their rights to do that, but it sure doesn’t give you a warm fuzzy.
Confused on the “without warning” — there was a week between announcement and update and then one other that was due to security issue that was announced to node runners. But anyway — from what I understand, the FC client is going to be something completely different so a fork and other clients are probably for the best. Also, they intend to make everything open under MIT license. Not sure how this is all going to work out. BUT a lot of folks like Murtaza were long gone before this acquisition due to other reasons (like not vibing with token focus). You had even drifted off. Seems like this brought some folks back regardless of which client they decide to use. But also many others (who I miss) will probably not return to any client. That time has passed unfortunately. We’re in a new season.
you are mistaken. you can claim "warning was given" but the venue in which that warning went out was the thing nearly all non-NS aligned people were forbidden from accessing. The "security update" was a farce, and included a protocol-breaking change that had nothing to do with security – they could _claim_ it did, but this is false, they control the validator sets, so the alleged vector of the breaking change was something that could never have been abused by anyone other than NS themselves. And that was a two hour notice. Had someone not forwarded me the notice, we would have been blindsided by it. I don't get why you're so willing to defend people who are clearly acting with malice despite any statements to the contrary, but it's an awful look, and people will remember that when the NS side winds down due to attrition.
I’ve been casting consistently. I came and stayed for decentralized social. If the new season is not decentralized social there’s no point in participating. If people want to buy into NS’s vision that’s their choice but let’s not pretend it is compatible with the reason most of us came and stayed.
